"Terrorists" kill 27 in Iran

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/15/iran-explosions-twin-bomb_n_648135.html

A Sunni insurgent group said it carried out a double suicide bombing against a Shiite mosque in southeast Iran to avenge the execution of its leader, as Iranian authorities Friday said the death toll rose to 27 people, including members of the elite Revolutionary Guard.

The insurgent group, Jundallah, has repeatedly succeeded in carrying out deadly strikes on the Guard, the country's most powerful military force - including an October suicide bombing that killed more than 40 people. The new attack was a sign that the group is still able to carry out devastating bombings even after Iran hanged its leader Abdulmalik Rigi and his brother earlier this year.

CIA-run Jundallah launches another deadly attack in Iran.  This is nothing new, as we've been running such attacks for years usings this fake Al Qeada group, but I figure that as the pro-war voices are becoming more bellicose I might as well see what the general sentiment is regarding our explicit provacations of Iran into an armed conflict.  The fact that they've put up with this BS for years without retaliating tells you all you need to know about their desire for war.  Is our government psychotic in your opinion?  Would you be surprised if there was a real terrorist attack on our soil in response to such an abominable offense?

Just in case you need it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html

...the CIA is giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan.

Iranian officials say they captured 10 members of Jundullah last weekend, carrying $500,000 in cash along with "maps of sensitive areas" and "modern spy equipment".

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

Suicide bombing is stupid, no matter who initiates it. It's an easy way to take out a target, you just need a gullible chump to do it.

[Average John]

They still ARE terrorists, even if they are bombing our enemies.

[Khellendros]

Oh good, we're funding another random group of people who will probably turn back around and bite us on the ass once they've achieved their goals. SUPER. This always works out for the best.

[Gaara of the Sand]

Oh good, we're funding another random group of people who will probably turn back around and bite us on the ass once they've achieved their goals. SUPER. This always works out for the best.

I'd like to think we've learned from our mistakes and will now just put a bullet in their heads when they're done.

[Average John]

I'd like to think we've learned from our mistakes and will now just put a bullet in their heads when they're done.

It's amazing you haven't held a position of authority yet.

[Gaara of the Sand]

It's amazing you haven't held a position of authority yet.

I'm on the traffic and transit board in my town.  It was a thank you present for running the McCain/Palin campaign in the town.

Haven't really felt like running for anything yet though.

[safado]

CIA-run Jundallah launches another deadly attack in Iran.  This is nothing new, as we've been running such attacks for years usings this fake Al Qeada group, but I figure that as the pro-war voices are becoming more bellicose I might as well see what the general sentiment is regarding our explicit provacations of Iran into an armed conflict.  The fact that they've put up with this BS for years without retaliating tells you all you need to know about their desire for war.  Is our government psychotic in your opinion?  Would you be surprised if there was a real terrorist attack on our soil in response to such an abominable offense?

Responding to your question seriously..........


Jundallah is a Sunni group attacking the world's powerhouse Shiite group. With the US literally weeks away from extricating 25,000 troops from Iraq, where they are vulnerable to any violence in the sandbox, why would Washington provoke Iran when

1 - The Russians are becoming more cooperative with sanctions (to a degree) which was what was keeping them from having any teeth

2 - We would be exposing our troops and risking destabilizng a situation that is about right for a slight drawdown (or therabouts)

3 - we are doing everything to extricate ourselves from the Middle East to restore our reserves

4 - We obviously DO NOT want war with Iran as we have let the best windows of opportunity pass and it would ravage a struggling world economy???

5 - If we attacked Iran, what woyuld we do with it after we conquered it. If Iraq is a nightmare, imagine occupying a country that's twice the size and with 2x the military capability. If we don't occupy it, Iran simply activates its worldwide "assets" attackign American interests and the American homeland while rebuyilding its nuclear facilities. In the end we show off a little and accomplish nothing, even setting ourselves back a ways.


   So why would we fund an attack on Iran when the money trail can be traced and threaten a reprisal???

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

You and I are asking the same question.  I believe we want war with Iran.  This is why we're attacking them and murdering their citizens.  WE WANT A REPRISAL SO THAT THE IGNORANT RACIST SHEEP IN OUR COUNTRY CAN BE CONVINCED THAT WAR IS A GOOD IDEA... and sadly it would work.  If Iran responded that's all the zionist/neocon crowd will need to expand their campaigns of mass murder.

[Snake-eyes]

Obama is the President and currently the liberals are in charge in Congress.

So exactly how would the "Neo-cons" do anything?

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

Obama's a neocon puppet, flanked by zionists, including the son of Israeli terrorist trash and a prostitute congress.  All the Cali residents here understand what the deal is because yall have that disgusting zionist traitor Jane Harman who should be charged with treason and finished.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

I can't make this stuff up.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/israel-u-s-behind-fatal-iran-suicide-bombings-iran-official-says-1.302398

Israel and the United States were behind the twin suicide bombings on a mosque in Iran that left 27 people dead, a senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards officer told the semi-official Fars news agency on Friday.
Two bombs went off in the suicide attack at the mosque in Zahedan Thursday night. Authorities said an additional 167 people were injured and warned the death toll could rise.

Israel and our zionist controlled goverment is truly WICKED and we will surely pay a dare price for their crimes.  The whole world knows what we're doing.  It's all a matter of how long they'll stand for it.  I am as sure as the sun is bright that Israel is on borrowed time.  You reap what you sow on this plane.

[Snake-eyes]

The Neo-cons must be very sneaky and powerful.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

They're not sneaky at all.  That's the point.  They're arrogant and they have no respect for human life.  Don't worry, the chickens will be home soon.

[Average John]

You're quoting a something an Iranian Revolutionary Guard member told a "semi-official" Iranian news agency as a legit source?

I hate to play Grand Woodchuck here, but seriously?

[Snake-eyes]

Do you really think that you're aware of all their plans and actions?

[safado]

You and I are asking the same question.  I believe we want war with Iran.  This is why we're attacking them and murdering their citizens.  WE WANT A REPRISAL SO THAT THE IGNORANT RACIST SHEEP IN OUR COUNTRY CAN BE CONVINCED THAT WAR IS A GOOD IDEA... and sadly it would work.  If Iran responded that's all the zionist/neocon crowd will need to expand their campaigns of mass murder.

You....are....crazy


I just cited a laundry list of reasons why we DON't want to go to war with iran and you jumped on an neocon-anti-zionist theory.

 No one wants war with Iran. If we wanted a reaction from them, we could have massed troops on the iranian border and sent a carrier group in the vicinity of the strait of hormuz claiming military exercises with any of our allies. That would have forced Iran's hand.

   Hell, even a mass of troops in Turkey capabnle of overfly space with Jordan and then Iraq would have beena provocation of epic proprotions and would have been an actual normal thing for American-Turkish forces to run, joint exercises with a powerful ally

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

You're quoting a something an Iranian Revolutionary Guard member told a "semi-official" Iranian news agency as a legit source?

I hate to play Grand Woodchuck here, but seriously?

This is sad willful ignorance if I'm reading this correctly.  I quoted Haaretz, which quoted the source because it's significant that they're going public with this accusation so soon, which is a sign that they're at their wit's end.  It's been a matter of public record that we've been running this Jundalah group inside Iran, and the conservative media even got upset when it was leaked... because they overestimated the American people compassion for human life.  The truth is we don't give a shit that our govt is running illegal ops and killing civilians at religious services, because we as a people have completely lost our humanity.  If you want to live in ignorance, please feel free.  Haaretz obviously does not want you to, but you don't seem to care.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

You....are....crazy


I just cited a laundry list of reasons why we DON't want to go to war with iran and you jumped on an neocon-anti-zionist theory.

 No one wants war with Iran. If we wanted a reaction from them, we could have massed troops on the iranian border and sent a carrier group in the vicinity of the strait of hormuz claiming military exercises with any of our allies. That would have forced Iran's hand.

   Hell, even a mass of troops in Turkey capabnle of overfly space with Jordan and then Iraq would have beena provocation of epic proprotions and would have been an actual normal thing for American-Turkish forces to run, joint exercises with a powerful ally

Huh?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/138231

Both reports follow by less than a week the Pentagon’s confirmation that an unusually large American fleet sailed through the Suez Canal Saturday. Several reports stated that an Israeli ship joined the armada.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/138284

The Persian Gulf is on Iran’s southern border, and last week’s report, confirmed by the Pentagon, that 11 warships had sailed through the Suez Canal, raised alarm bells that the U.S. is ready to fight to keep the Persian Gulf open. ...

The U.S.army last year advanced military cooperation with Turkmenistan. An independent Caspian news agency has confirmed unusually heavy activity of American troops along the border with Iran. The Iranian Revolutionary Guards' Brigadier General Mehdi Moini said last week that his forces increased patrols, including tanks and anti-aircraft units, along the border with Azerbaijan because they noticed increased American activity. Iran charged that Israeli forces were also present, sparking a virtual war alert among the Iranian Guards.

In addition, the Times of London reported earlier this month that Saudi Arabia has agreed to open its air space for Israel Air Force jets, a claim that the Saudi monarchy denied. It similar denied Iranian news agency claims that Israeli helicopters unloaded military equipment at a northwestern Saudi Arabian air base, from where Israeli planes theoretically could reach Iran in the shorts possible time.

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

Do you have anything from a credible news source and not "a semi-official Iranian news agency?"

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

Do you really think that you're aware of all their plans and actions?

I don't need to know everything the devil has planned... just knowing that he's the devil is enough.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

Do you have anything from a credible news source and not "a semi-official Iranian news agency?"

Why don't you read the article and find out.

[Snake-eyes]

I don't need to know everything the devil has planned... just knowing that he's the devil is enough.

They could be using this to distract you from their real plan.

[AliceRunsThingsSon]

They could be using this to distract you from their real plan.

That's just another one of your nutty conspiracy theories.

[Snake-eyes]

What if, that's what they want you to think?

[Tony XerxēsTWD Stark]

Why don't you read the article and find out.

You cited a specific excerpt. It's your job as the person making the claim to provide credible sources for your assertion.

[safado]

I read about that.

The part about Azerbijan happened right after the flotilla indicent and relations soured betwen the US and Turkey. The US needs over fly capacity in Afghanistan and investigated areas besides Turkey because the US refused to renounce the flotilla incident (and wisely so)

   Everything the US is putting in Saudi Arabia is a show of force for the benefit of the Arab nations in the area. Th e reasoning is that the US will not be able to stop the Al Qoms nuclear reactor. In that case, the US will set up anti-missile shields all over the Middle East in the event that iran launches it's Al-Shahhaaabs with a nuclear warhead.

    It's brinks manship but the US is obviously not going to war and Israel doesn't have the military capability to go to war with Iran without US support. As mentioned, the reactors are all over the country; air strikes would not necessarily work and a ground attack by Israel is out of the question and would fail. Their simply aren't enough Israeli troops

[safado]

Incidentally their is no such thing as a true "press leak." People WANT people to know things so that rhetoric is incited and backstage manipulations are invoked.

SE is right. Who are these "top-level" people. Right now, the top level people in Iran can't even agree who the top level people are. Ahmadinejad is a divisise figure, popular among Iranian neo-cons and the poor while the rest of the political opposition is well-supported. It might be Ahmadinejad's opposition out to make him look weak or it might be Ahmadinejad trying to stir the flames.

     At the end of the day, this story has been around for over 2 weeks and nothing has happened. Incidents like this don't "hang around", they either become serious international incidents or not.

[The Todd]

and a ground attack by Israel is out of the question and would fail. Their simply aren't enough Israeli troops

israel would walk the dog on irans forces with or without our aid. all we have to do is unleash them.

[Rufio]

 I actually was unaware of the CIA funding of Jundullah. Previously, I'd seen leftists cite evidence hinting at Bush administration plans to destabilize Iran, but I had no idea that an ex-CIA officer was now publicly claiming the link. That said, the US government clearly does not want war at the moment and an Iranian official claiming US involvement is not really evidence. If there were a paper trail, an admission by an American or Israeli agent, or a third party observer that had witnessed some physical evidence of American or Israeli involvement, the case would be more convincing. It's more likely than the Iranian official is appealing to the  security threat argument to  draw attention away from the government's domestic failings, or the economic effect the sanctions will have on its citizens. Appealing to security is a common tactic governments use to preserve policies that are broadly unpopular.

 It was a different story a few years ago, when Bush undermined reformers in Iran's parliament and made decisions consistent with a serious consideration of going to war.  First came the public "Axis of Evil" speech. This coincided with covert rejection of an Iranian terrorist swap that would have handed us one of Bin Laden's sons. Also rejected was an offer for open negotiations. Richard Haas, a top member of the State Department at the time, said that the bias in favor of regime change was the reason behind the rejection of diplomacy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700727.html

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1913323,00.html
 

[Rufio]

 Not to rub this in, but:

- The Russians are becoming more cooperative with sanctions (to a degree) which was what was keeping them from having any teeth

 I argued with you a number of times about this after Russia's leaders publicly changed their stance regarding Iran. You seemed wedded to the view that Russia would block sanctions regardless of their public statements. I hope that after this happens often enough, you'll begin to acknowledge the lack of certainty behind the "geopolitical forecasts" that you so love.

 Speaking as you have of defense shields in this thread, have you considered their relevance to Russia's position toward Iran? Much current wrangling is occurring between Obama and Medvedev over the extent of Poland's defense shield and its effect on Russia's nuclear deterrent. This issue extends back into the Bush administration, when Putin made extensive proposals for a US missile defense shield in Azerbaijan or other areas facing Iran without facing Russia, offering Russian intelligence gathering assistance.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2007_10/LewisPostol

"n late May, during the Group of Eight conference in Europe, Putin surprised Bush by proposing that Russia would be willing to make the data from an early-warning radar in Azerbaijan available to the United States. One month later in a meeting at Kennebunkport, Maine, Putin significantly widened the scope of his proposal.

Putin offered to make available data from a second, much more modern Russian early- warning radar at Armavir, Russia. He also stated that Russia would not object to U.S. missile defense interceptors being stationed in Iraq or Turkey or other appropriate southern European locations nor to the United States using Aegis ship-based interceptors as part of a missile defense for Europe. He suggested that Russia would be willing to jointly man early-warning centers in Moscow and in Brussels. He also made it clear that Russia was willing to discuss further possible ways to address the impasse with the United States over the location of the X-band radar and interceptors. "

 All news results I've found end with a Bush-Putin summit shortly after this proposal, with no follow up. Apparently the idea silently whittled away without agreement. This begs the question of whether the defense shield is wholly defensive or if the intention is to remove deterrents to the use of nuclear threats as a means of coercion.

[Strider119]

I'm on the traffic and transit board in my town.  It was a thank you present for running the McCain/Palin campaign in the town.

Haven't really felt like running for anything yet though.

Aren't you a stinkin' jew?  They control everything.  I'd think you can pull a few strings and get some sort of cushy job in the entertainment industry or something can't you?  Why resort to backing McCain / Palin?

[safado]

"n late May, during the Group of Eight conference in Europe, Putin surprised Bush by proposing that Russia would be willing to make the data from an early-warning radar in Azerbaijan available to the United States. One month later in a meeting at Kennebunkport, Maine, Putin significantly widened the scope of his proposal.

Putin offered to make available data from a second, much more modern Russian early- warning radar at Armavir, Russia. He also stated that Russia would not object to U.S. missile defense interceptors being stationed in Iraq or Turkey or other appropriate southern European locations nor to the United States using Aegis ship-based interceptors as part of a missile defense for Europe. He suggested that Russia would be willing to jointly man early-warning centers in Moscow and in Brussels. He also made it clear that Russia was willing to discuss further possible ways to address the impasse with the United States over the location of the X-band radar and interceptors. "

I'm not sure what youre rubbing in since you didn't tell me anything that changes my opinion on anything. Geopilitical forecast is that Russia and the US have divergent interests and I haven`t seen anything that changes that. In the short term both sides will make small concessions and play ~ the game~ to get the concessions they want

   Of course I`ve thought about Russia`s relationship with Iran. It`sa long term carrot and stick relationship. Russia offers tings to Iran that they need and withdraws and plays hard to get when Iran gets too big for its britches. The Russians built Irans nuclear reactor and its going online shortly.The only reaon it hasn`t been detonated like the one in Okirk by Israel in 1980 is that Iran learned from its previous mistakes and buried its nuclear centrifuges and materials in powerful bunkers and spread them out across the nation. If Israel had the capability of destroying them, it already would have. The only country that can do it, is the US.

    Its too expensive to the US to do it because Iran has too many cards to play against the US and the US can't risk it.

Russia as of late is coveting US and other foreign technology companies. medvedev has made a string of international trips to effect technology transfers. Putin and Medvedev have decided that Russia needs to modernize to survive. They foresee the coming demographic crisis and they are acting In return they are allowing Azerbijan, which is essentially a great substitute for the US to use in military operations in the US but that doesnt mean they are best friends with the US. They want something, the US wants soemthing and thats how the game is played

    Russia was the one nation that could have shut down Irans nuclear option. No matter what Iran is denied, and some of the sanctions do hurt, iran can stilll survive as long as it receives natural gas from Russia. Russias pipelines are its levers to control Europe and the Middle east, at least in Iran which is a net IMPORTER of natural gas, no matter how much petroleum it has

   Russia did not do so and the result has been tha the US has ~discouraged international busin4ess partners from doing business with Iranian banks, financial institutions and other entities and Iran was hurt. nevertheless Russia`s pipelines are still flowing and the US has decided tha t the war option, the only one left, is not palatable

Where are you rubbing it in?