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Q: During Ragnarok, Thor got odin's power .This makes him the most powerful person in earth.Even then he was defeated by Red Hulk.How is that possible?Odin used his power to create earth.Rulk was created by bunch of peoples who lives in earth. by sarath123
TB: First off, Odin didn't literally create the Earth. Sure the Norse legends say that, but the Greek legends say that it was Zeus, and other legends say different things as well. Also, Thor died in Ragnarok and was resurrected, and precisely what that did to the Odinpower (not to mention the need to use it to reawaken the entirety of the Asgardian people who themselves had been reincarnated in mortal guises)is vague at best. Finally, we've seen it established that the Red Hulk is fueled by cosmic energy, and what is the Odinpower if not a form of cosmic energy/ So during their battle, it's likely that the Red Hulk was drawing on Thor's own power to fuel his fighting strength.
- For those interested... Thread on alvaro's: http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=hulk-2010031005295370 |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face.  |
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TheGreEness327
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 10:43:00 am » |
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Thor fans are the worst
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Strider119
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 11:08:00 am » |
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Warning for posting links to alavaros and for being a faggot.
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 He was a man who was absolutely pluperfect |
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JAXN
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 11:09:07 am » |
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is Q retarded?
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Superbot400
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 12:42:35 pm » |
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Except that Vulcan hasn't proven it.
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Superbot400
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 12:46:07 pm » |
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Besides you realize that Tom B is just making sense of a vague scene, which be taken like a grain of salt?
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 12:49:22 pm » |
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Wow, it's almost like Loeb didn't tell us this already.
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 12:50:07 pm » |
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So Vulcan can beat Thor.  Nice to know I was right all along Considering he couldn't do anything against BB's voice...he won't be able to do shit to the Odinpower. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 12:57:27 pm » |
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Wow, it's almost like Loeb didn't tell us this already.
Wait, he did? |
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 01:00:22 pm » |
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Wait, he did?
Yeah, after the issue came out he said that we'll be learning more about Rulk's powers later (a couple issues after that interview he absorbed Surfer's power and said how his powers work), and that if you look closely at the art, you'll be able to get some hints too. The hint was that Mjolnir was crackling with energy when he was attacking Rulk the first time, so every hit was pretty much just powering Rulk up. Which is why Thor curbstomped him in the rematch, because he didn't let him absorb shit. |
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Red Exodus
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 01:06:27 pm » |
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Ignore Donnie please.
But Odinpower is cosmic? I always thought it was of magical origin. Either way, this
"explanation" is a little too late.
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 01:09:46 pm » |
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Ignore Donnie please.
But Odinpower is cosmic? I always thought it was of magical origin. Either way, this
"explanation" is a little too late.
Eh, cosmic and mystic energies kind of begin to enter a gray zone once you reach skyfather levels. The only real differences is where one thing will be explained as a spell, the other will be explained as a manipulation of matter/reality/space/time/etc. |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 01:11:32 pm » |
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Yeah, after the issue came out he said that we'll be learning more about Rulk's powers later (a couple issues after that interview he absorbed Surfer's power and said how his powers work), and that if you look closely at the art, you'll be able to get some hints too.
The hint was that Mjolnir was crackling with energy when he was attacking Rulk the first time, so every hit was pretty much just powering Rulk up. Which is why Thor curbstomped him in the rematch, because he didn't let him absorb shit.
^^ Exactly - first fight Rulk was up close and personal with Thor, absorbing his energy the whole time, so he not only kicked his ass but if you noticed Thor was taking a dirt nap on the moon and wasn't his usual energetic self afterwards. Second fight thor kept his distance and had a much easier time because Rulk apparently has to make skin contact or be very close to absorb the power. |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 01:13:25 pm » |
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Ignore Donnie please.
But Odinpower is cosmic? I always thought it was of magical origin. Either way, this
"explanation" is a little too late.
This explanation isn't late at all; Loeb hinted in several interviews that Rulk had extra powers and was trying to make it obvious, but some readers being dumb fucks just think Rulk is a brick and can't do shit besides punch people. In regards to Odinpower versus cosmic power, look again at the fight between Thanos and Odin - Power is power no matter the source. |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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Red Exodus
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2010, 01:42:48 pm » |
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In regards to Odinpower versus cosmic power, look again at the fight between Thanos and Odin - Power is power no matter the source.
That's a little too general don't you think? Not all forms of energy, even if they all look like it operate the same way. |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2010, 02:07:44 pm » |
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That's a little too general don't you think? Not all forms of energy, even if they all look
like it operate the same way.
The point was that the Odinpower was very similar in nature to cosmic power. The time when rulk tried to absorb the negative energy and it made him weak was an example of a vastly different type of energy. |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 02:08:53 pm » |
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Considering BB voice caught him off guard. Even though Rulk can absorb energy, it can still hurt him if he isn't expecting it.
Right - it would seem that Rulk's absorption is limited to someone he can physically touch, similar to how Rogue needs to touch someone to drain them. |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2010, 02:53:49 pm » |
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Except Vulcan has better energy absorption and manipulation than Rulk.
I'd dispute that. If Vulcan can't just shut BB down completely he sure as fuck couldn't replicate Rulk's energy drain feat vs the Silver Surfer. Cheers. |
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 02:55:39 pm » |
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It's threads like this that make me embarassed to come here
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He was a man who was absolutely pluperfect |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 03:04:47 pm » |
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I'd dispute that. If Vulcan can't just shut BB down completely he sure as fuck couldn't replicate Rulk's energy drain feat vs the Silver Surfer.
Cheers.
Co-signed; Rulk's energy drain is limited to touch, but the rate at which it draws the power is seemingly much faster than typical energy absorbers can do. For example he drained out Hulk completely to the point where he couldn't even change back to the Hulk from Banner for a while, and drained out Surfer and Terrax completely within seconds. |
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 03:05:34 pm » |
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I'd dispute that. If Vulcan can't just shut BB down completely he sure as fuck couldn't replicate Rulk's energy drain feat vs the Silver Surfer.
Cheers.
He didn't feel like doing it. He wanted BB to fight him using his powers. He even asked why BB didn't use his whisper on him at the start. Kinda like how Sentry let WWH get 7 free hits on him. Vulcan drained Adam Warlock/Magus who is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Silver Surfer. Plus Vulcan was amping his strength and durability how the hell do you think he could tank punches from BB and dish em out aswell? |
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Dr.Dog
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 03:23:19 pm » |
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I am actually curious now to see if Vulcan would actually be able to drain Thor's energy. Logically speaking I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work.
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Originally posted by Jonathanos That's a real life threat too. I'm going to shoot Strider in his faggot face. |
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 03:45:54 pm » |
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Considering BB voice caught him off guard. Even though Rulk can absorb energy, it can still hurt him if he isn't expecting it.
Didn't he use his voice right in his face? It was a one on one fight and it was used at the end of the fight...how does that surprise him? What energy hurt Rulk? |
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Strange
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2010, 03:51:52 pm » |
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What energy hurt Rulk?
Negative Zone energy but it had nothing to do with him not expecting it. It turns out N-Zone energy is bad for Rulk. |
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2010, 04:04:51 pm » |
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It seemed pretty obvious to me when the book first came out.
Also, who gives a shit?
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Astro
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2010, 04:15:48 pm » |
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Good to see that Quasar could apparently WTFpwn Odin Powered Thor.
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Strange
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2010, 04:17:00 pm » |
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I have been saying that since day one, Astro.
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2010, 04:17:19 pm » |
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Good to see that Quasar could apparently WTFpwn Odin Powered Thor.
While Joe Q's in power I don't think Quasar's allowed to win fights against named characters. |
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Astro
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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2010, 04:29:56 pm » |
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I have been saying that since day one, Astro.
Great minds think alike, Astro. |
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Astro
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2010, 04:31:29 pm » |
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While Joe Q's in power I don't think Quasar's allowed to win fights against named characters.
You know, as 'in charge' as Quesada is, I get the distinct feeling that it's actually Breevport who is shaping the direction of the majority of the Marvel U, and I think he's got a good head on his shoulders. But I'll say that as someone who was a pretty close friend of Gruenwald, who was mentored by him, I'm a little surprised he hasn't even tried to push Quasar into the spotlight a bit more. That was, along with Squadron Supreme, his real passion project. |
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Gaara of the Sand
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2010, 04:40:47 pm » |
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You know, as 'in charge' as Quesada is, I get the distinct feeling that it's actually Breevport who is shaping the direction of the majority of the Marvel U, and I think he's got a good head on his shoulders. He's gotten more control in the past year or so with his promotion, sure. I don't know quite how much control he has, but given that things aren't nearly as bad as they used to be...it seems he's doing a good job. But I'll say that as someone who was a pretty close friend of Gruenwald, who was mentored by him, I'm a little surprised he hasn't even tried to push Quasar into the spotlight a bit more. That was, along with Squadron Supreme, his real passion project.
The problem may be that no one really wants to write him or knows what to do with him. Busiek at least admitted he didn't want Quasar around because he viewed him as a bit too much of a deus ex machina...though he still jobbed him out in his few appearances in Kang Wars. Who knows? Tom may be protecting Quasar from several shitty proposals every year. I wouldn't be surprised if some hack like Slott wanted to try and tap into the current popularity of the GL's and their events with Quasar stories stealing directly from them. |
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2010, 04:50:22 pm » |
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Thor fans are the worst
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 "I think that the creators get to decide just what the Red Hulk can and cannot do. So if we say that the Red Hulk could draw upon the cosmic aspects of teh Odin-Power than he can". Tom B. |
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Astro
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2010, 10:15:26 pm » |
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I found Quasar to be not really a compelling character on his own -- in fact, I'd argue that even after 60 issues Gruenwald never really settled on a personality for him -- but that shouldn't stop someone from trying.
It may seem manipulative, but why NOT try to piggyback on the GL popularity?
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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2010, 12:31:21 am » |
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I found Quasar to be not really a compelling character on his own -- in fact, I'd argue that even after 60 issues Gruenwald never really settled on a personality for him -- but that shouldn't stop someone from trying. He seemed to have found where he wanted to take the character, but around the mid 40's or so of the series it just go really fucking weird and Quasar started to change little by little. The last few issues are really pretty bad (except Marz's sub, he wrote a pretty good issue). It may seem manipulative, but why NOT try to piggyback on the GL popularity?
I meant to try and make him more like them. Ruin his powers more, introduce other colors, etc. |
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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2010, 04:21:53 am » |
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Gotcha. I kind of felt that Quasar was, from the beginning, a character defined by his lack of character. His origin was specifically a response to the Hal Jordan model of character, as the test pilot was destroyed for being too willful where as Quasar, who just lay back and accept what he thought was his death, was 'worthy' by the means of the system in place. What I thought was strong about the series was the cosmology Gru was establishing and all the fun villains he was using. Given the number of DC stand ins he liked to use, I'm eternally surprised he never dipped his toes in the DC pool ever.
Also, as an aside, I don't understand how this is supposed to be worse than Rulk just kicking the shit out of Odin Powered Thor straight away? Why does this make it worse?
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