Incredible Hercules #128 w/scans

[Kang Council]

Sentry thought he could have kicked his ass, sure. Actually doing it is another thing.

If Hercules had tried to go toe-to-toe with WWH he would have got mullered and rather quickly too.

[Hatemonger]

This proves beyonf a shadow of a doubt that awisemansays is a liar, like Lucifer, scientologists and World Breaker.

Hercules was clearly off balance after Sentry doubledteamed him with Venom. He was at a 45% angle, for fucks sake. He caught Sentry's punch with one hand, and in the next panel its clear that he's holding it with one hand.

Hercule clearly believed he was as powerful as the Sentry - hence his remark 'No, I'll unleash the power of a million suns' (paraphrasing). Hercules was clearly shown to be stronger than the Sentry.

Looks like awisemansays sinister attempt to undermine Herc's feat made it all the more impressive.

[awisemansays]

I agree with these statements

Hercules was beating Hulk and now Sentry. It's been a good year for him.

Nah. It was a serious Sentry, but not ALL OUT. Hercules comment at the end seemed to indicate that Sentry should have gone all out from the beginning if he really wanted to win the fight. Hercules basically understood that as powerful as Sentry is, business as usual attitude, relying on pure power advantage to win is not likely going to get the job done against Hercules.

He was winning, but it wasn't a win. Cho admitted Herc was winning, but could not win. And I think Sentry was taking the fight seriously at the end. He threw that punch with the intent to end the fight with his pompous "This has been fun, but now it's over." spiel. Like he thought he outpowered Herc by that much.

I don't agree with this.

Hercules > Sentry. Book proves it.

I'd say its pretty clear that Sentry wasn't giving full effort.  In rd 3 he does step it up and actually attacks Herc as opposed to warning him.  But both Hercules' and Sentrys dialougue indicate that Sentry could have done better if he really wanted to.

[awisemansays]

Hercules DEFINITELY was not bracing that arm.

strange.

I just looked at the pic again.

The artists depiction diesnt really make sense.

When Herc catches Sentrys fist, each characters has his arm extended.  (so basically Herc is like 2ft out of Sentrys punching range.)
Herc's "unextended" arm is bent at a right angle.  It appears to me that he supposed to supporting his extended, or catching arm.   (It looks like his fingers are curved around his other arm)
Hercules is also bent over backwards (like he's doing the limbo).

I think that what happened was Herc caught Sentrys punch mid swing (see the sound effect and shockwaves.)

I think Herc braced his catching arm (see the curve of the fingers as if they are grasping forearm)

I think Herc is bent backwards because when he catches Sentrys fist, Sentry forces him backwards as he completes his punch.

[Jedah]

It appears to me that he supposed to supporting his extended, or catching arm.   (It looks like his fingers are curved around his other arm)
Hercules is also bent over backwards (like he's doing the limbo).

I think that what happened was Herc caught Sentrys punch mid swing (see the sound effect and shockwaves.)

I think Herc braced his catching arm (see the curve of the fingers as if they are grasping forearm)

I think Herc is bent backwards because when he catches Sentrys fist, Sentry forces him backwards as he completes his punch.

Yeah, the artist did a crappy job, but you got it right.

I can't believe I actually took the time to do this... am I turning into a monster fanboy??? lol.

[Hatemonger]

ridiculous.

Sentry was attacking Hercules the whole time. Thats why he was flying towards him, for god's sake. if he was just warning him, he would have stood his ground like he did with Blackbolt.

Sentry doubleteamed Herc with Venom and still got overpowered. He threw a punch at Herc when Herc was offbalance from the tackle (look at the panel before Herc's catch - Herc is flat on the ground), and Herc still caught it. Then Herc obviously forced his way back to his feet, pushing back Sentry's arm in the process, and unleashed the power of a million exploding suns.

Hercules >> Sentry. This book proves it.

[awisemansays]

Sentry knocked Venom off Herc in one attack.  meanwhile, Herc had been struggling for pages to get Venom off.


te he.

[awisemansays]

also, when I first thumbed thru the pages (without reading the dialouge) I thought "holy smokes! Sentry looks about like (punching bag) Wonderman in this book"

But then when I read the dialouge, It made more sense.

[X-Enforcer]

I'm really tired of the whole Sentry was holding back reason. If he is holding back, it's fucking stupid. Make him be a hero or get the fuck out

[Strider119]

He was winning, but it wasn't a win. Cho admitted Herc was winning, but could not win. And I think Sentry was taking the fight seriously at the end. He threw that punch with the intent to end the fight with his pompous "This has been fun, but now it's over." spiel. Like he thought he outpowered Herc by that much.

Well he got kicked in the balls before he could really unleash.

It's like if I'm in a fight with Mirko Cro Cop and he give me one look and realizes he could rape me so while he is trying to talk me out of commiting suicide by trying to fight him I run around back and give him a wedgie, then I play "got your nose" with him and make fun of his haircut, then when he realizes that he can fuck my shit up and finally agrees to fight me I kick him in the balls and run away ... would you say I won?

I mean I fucked around with him and am obviously the only one of the two of us who did damage.  Not a perfect correlation to the fight, but you see what I'm saying.

I'm not adverse to Hercules holding his own in a fight with Sentry, he's gone toe to toe with Hulk and Thor before ... but this issue wasn't an example of anything other than Herc's homosexual playful nature and penchant for talking about balls and animal skins and shit.

[Bender]

I think the Haters need to recognize that Herc is a true Elite Top Tier again.

[Chapel]

Well he got kicked in the balls before he could really unleash.

It's like if I'm in a fight with Mirko Cro Cop and he give me one look and realizes he could rape me so while he is trying to talk me out of commiting suicide by trying to fight him I run around back and give him a wedgie, then I play "got your nose" with him and make fun of his haircut, then when he realizes that he can fuck my shit up and finally agrees to fight me I kick him in the balls and run away ... would you say I won?

I mean I fucked around with him and am obviously the only one of the two of us who did damage.  Not a perfect correlation to the fight, but you see what I'm saying.

I'm not adverse to Hercules holding his own in a fight with Sentry, he's gone toe to toe with Hulk and Thor before ... but this issue wasn't an example of anything other than Herc's homosexual playful nature and penchant for talking about balls and animal skins and shit.

Sentry always says some bullshit about holding back, and he always gets mollywhooped while doing it. Non-jenkins Sentry is a n00b. n00bs get owned. Its kinda what they do. If everytime Mirko Cro Cop stepped into the ring he talked some bullshit about he had to be really careful not to hurt the guy he was fighting and then got his ass kicked you would say Mirko Crop cop wasn't shit. Its the same with the Sentry. Void has wrecked people. Jenkin's Sentry has wrecked people. I will believe this "Bob" guy can wreck people when he actually owns an established character who isn't street level.

[Sick Nick]

That art sucks in its ambiguity but I don't think Herc's using his left arm to brace the other or anything like that. Think he's just holding it up, as if in surprise.

Hercules' left shoulder in that panel looks like my bottom. The fingers on his right hand look like my 5 year old nephew drew them.

[Sick Nick]

If Hercules had tried to go toe-to-toe with WWH he would have got mullered and rather quickly too.

Perhaps, but who did WWH muller that was as strong as Hercules?

[silversavage]

This was a stupid fight, none of the 2 were actually trying. Hercules had the advantage because he's such a skilled warrior, he isn't a pushover at all, i always liked him. But Sentry stalemated galactus and hercules in an alternate universe could only amuse galactus. And no this hercules wasn't weak at all because he defeated his father zeus some time after that. SO an all out going sentry is stronger then hercules but we all know that hercules will win against sentry who's holding back just because of his superieur skills.

[Red Celestial]

This was a stupid fight, none of the 2 were actually trying. Hercules had the advantage because he's such a skilled warrior, he isn't a pushover at all, i always liked him. But Sentry stalemated galactus and hercules in an alternate universe could only amuse galactus. And no this hercules wasn't weak at all because he defeated his father zeus some time after that. SO an all out going sentry is stronger then hercules but we all know that hercules will win against sentry who's holding back just because of his superieur skills.

Sentry NEVER stalemated Galactus on panel in any Book as far as I know... it was a  throw away comment by Spidey who  just said the 'he heard' Sentry Stalemated Galactus once.

People just grab it and ran with it like Sentry and Galactus had some big fight or something

[Saotome]

Sentry NEVER stalemated Galactus on panel in any Book as far as I know... it was a  throw away comment by Spidey who  just said the 'he heard' Sentry Stalemated Galactus once.

People just grab it and ran with it like Sentry and Galactus had some big fight or something

Not sure but I thought I read some where they showed the flash back of what happened.  And the Big G just left cause he didn't want to waist no more energy?  Probably implied it was a already weakened Galactus.

Even Thor made that type of Galactus flee.

[Soljer]

Not sure but I thought I read some where they showed the flash back of what happened.  And the Big G just left cause he didn't want to waist no more energy?  Probably implied it was a already weakened Galactus.

Even Thor made that type of Galactus flee.

I'm pretty sure that never happened.  I'd love to see scans if anyone has them, but as far as I know, the only reference to the Sentry/Galactus fight was Spidey mentioning something like "That's the guy that stalemated Galactus!"

[Dr.Dog]

Yeah it was Spider man who said that he stalemated Galactus, but it was never shown on-panel, not even as a flashback. 

[silversavage]

Sentry always says some bullshit about holding back, and he always gets mollywhooped while doing it. Non-jenkins Sentry is a n00b. n00bs get owned. Its kinda what they do. If everytime Mirko Cro Cop stepped into the ring he talked some bullshit about he had to be really careful not to hurt the guy he was fighting and then got his ass kicked you would say Mirko Crop cop wasn't shit. Its the same with the Sentry. Void has wrecked people. Jenkin's Sentry has wrecked people. I will believe this "Bob" guy can wreck people when he actually owns an established character who isn't street level.

SInce when did terrax become street level?

[Sick Nick]

But Sentry stalemated galactus and hercules in an alternate universe could only amuse galactus. And no this hercules wasn't weak at all because he defeated his father zeus some time after that.

It was a great story but to be fair, it can't be used as evidence here.

[Red Celestial]

It was a great story but to be fair, it can't be used as evidence here.

Hey Nick what did you think of Typon in this story?

Even IF he's  weakened somehow by Hera's braclet ...should Ares really give him that much trouble?

[Bender]

Wow if you turn the page and zoom in I can almost see why you think he bracing his arm. That said if he were bracing his arm wouldn't he, you know, be holding it? with his thumb used to grip his arm as opposed to being in line with his other fingers? Close to the wrist maybe?

It's a badly drawn foreshortening of him having his other hand up, if you look at the fact (shown by his thumbs placement) that he's not actually holding onto the arm that's catching Sentry's throw it's clear he's not bracing his arm.

[Strange]

Hera should of taken down Osbern but oh well.

[Sick Nick]

Hey Nick what did you think of Typon in this story?

Even IF he's  weakened somehow by Hera's braclet ...should Ares really give him that much trouble?

No, he shouldn't ... although Ares didn't do half bad against Hercules in their last fight, and Herc and Typhon looked to be on a par strengthwise.

Hell, I remember Typhon being given problems by Iceman and the Beast!

[Sick Nick]

Hera should of taken down Osbern but oh well.

I wouldn't have been concerned about that, except she looked nasty against Hercules in the story where he was stripped of his immortality.

[Strange]

I wouldn't have been concerned about that, except she looked nasty against Hercules in the story where he was stripped of his immortality.

Tony usually has some problems with mages/magicusers and most times has to figure his way around them. Osborn seems to be trading blasts with Hera straight up fairly evenly.

[Jedah]

Sentry NEVER stalemated Galactus on panel in any Book as far as I know... it was a  throw away comment by Spidey who  just said the 'he heard' Sentry Stalemated Galactus once.

People just grab it and ran with it like Sentry and Galactus had some big fight or something

To be fair, he didnt "heard", he knows it for a fact:

Hes not saying "suposedly", or "a rumor" or shit. Sentry did stalemated Galactus, what we dont know are the circunstances.

[Strider119]

I put as much into that as I put into any other hyperbole.

[Sick Nick]

Was that hyperbole?

[awisemansays]

Wow if you turn the page and zoom in I can almost see why you think he bracing his arm. That said if he were bracing his arm wouldn't he, you know, be holding it? with his thumb used to grip his arm as opposed to being in line with his other fingers? Close to the wrist maybe?

Actually, I was taught in my BJJ class then when Holding an opponents arm, (say in his guard) your thumbs should be alligned with your fingers instead of opposed to them.  But then again, thats when holding down your opponent, not your own arm, so maybe there is not correlation.

But I would say given the fact that Herc is bent backward, limbo style, he probably caught Sentrys punch but was pushed backward by its impact.  Otherwise it would have been ridiculous for Sentry to throw a punch at Herc who was 2ft too far away to be hit.  And even more ridiculous for Herc to bother reaching out to catch a punch that was thrown 2 ft. too far away to land.

[Strider119]

Was that hyperbole?

Eh.  I think it was. 

At the very least it's not first hand information presented to the reader.  Who knows where Spiderman got that from?  Maybe he heard it from a friend, maybe he dreamed it, maybe he watched it unfold in outer-space with his own eyes.  We know nothing of the circumstances, both of Sentry/Galactus and Spider-Man's understanding of the event.

I didn't see it as a reader, so it's not worth mentioning in a discussion.  I wouldn't cite an off hand internal monologue as a feat of strength just like I wouldn't cite a narrative blurb about how Hulk can crush planets with his prostate.

[Average John]

I just think Herc is drawn so awkwardly because he was getting up when Sentry punched him. And even if he was bracing his arm, in the next panel he doesn't seem to be. And does bracing his arm take that much away from the feat of catching Sentry's punch?

[Strider119]

I don't think he was bracing himself, it was just an odd drawing.  If anything he's lightly touching his own arm ... while trying to stand and catch a punch.  It probably made it harder to stop that punch.

[Sick Nick]

Eh.  I think it was. 

At the very least it's not first hand information presented to the reader.  Who knows where Spiderman got that from?  Maybe he heard it from a friend, maybe he dreamed it, maybe he watched it unfold in outer-space with his own eyes.  We know nothing of the circumstances, both of Sentry/Galactus and Spider-Man's understanding of the event.

I didn't see it as a reader, so it's not worth mentioning in a discussion.  I wouldn't cite an off hand internal monologue as a feat of strength just like I wouldn't cite a narrative blurb about how Hulk can crush planets with his prostate.

No, your post. Was your post hyperbole? Yanno

I put as much into that as I put into any other hyperbole.

[Theoden]

2009 is HERCULES YEAR.

Owning Sentry plus the Olympian Gods  = a new reader.

I'm gonna buy every back issues I could find.

[Strider119]

No, your post. Was your post hyperbole? Yanno

Was my post hyperbole?  No, it was pretty straight forward.

[awisemansays]

I just think Herc is drawn so awkwardly because he was getting up when Sentry punched him. And even if he was bracing his arm, in the next panel he doesn't seem to be. And does bracing his arm take that much away from the feat of catching Sentry's punch?

 It would somewhat indicate that perhaps the author was trying to portray Sentry as the stronger of the two. 

However, that point could still be argued even if it were conclusive that Herc had to brace himself.

Like I said, its my interpertation that Hercules came out looking like the more efficient combatant, but I think the author was still trying to respect Sentrys power level given the dialougue of each character.

Given the mindset of each character, and the particular circumstances of the story, I don't find the outcome as something I would object to.

[Ramz]

Ya, Sentry could have finger fucked Herc any time.  Herc is a failure faggot

[Gamma Red]

This proves beyonf a shadow of a doubt that awisemansays is a liar, like Lucifer, scientologists and World Breaker.

Hercules was clearly off balance after Sentry doubledteamed him with Venom. He was at a 45% angle, for fucks sake. He caught Sentry's punch with one hand, and in the next panel its clear that he's holding it with one hand.

Hercule clearly believed he was as powerful as the Sentry - hence his remark 'No, I'll unleash the power of a million suns' (paraphrasing). Hercules was clearly shown to be stronger than the Sentry.

Looks like awisemansays sinister attempt to undermine Herc's feat made it all the more impressive.

Ehi dude, did you forget to talk about our mothers ? Your sublime ignorance and stupidity does not permit you to understand that Awisemansays is another Hulkest alias just as me.